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(c) Copyright 2003 - 2008 Machining and Metalworking at Home The form of the collected work in this text file (including editing, additions, and notes) is copyrighted and this file is not to be reproduced by any means, including electronic, without written permission except for strictly personal use. ======================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 16:54:59 -0800 From: "Craig Libuse" Subject: Re: Re: woodworking articles To all you craftsmen--I was just speaking to Gretchen at Village Press (Home Shop Machininst, Machinist's Workshop and Live Steam magazines). She says they will be working on a special issue of Machinist's Workshop that will be in addition to the usual six issues. It will come out just before Christmas and will feature woodworking projects. If any of you do some interesting wood projects on your Sherline machines, you might consider getting some photos together and submitting an article for the magazine. They do PAY for this, in addition to the fun of being a "famous published author". For information on doing an article for them, call the magazine and ask for an author's packet. Their number is (800) 327-7377. Gretchen Christensen's extension is 3337. Craig Libuse Sherline Products ------- Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:19:02 -0800 From: "Nicholas Carter and Felice Luftschein" Subject: Re: I'm a new owner I agree with everyone so far, here's how I went about learning: I bought, and continue to buy, every book about machining that I come across in used book stores, flea markets and yard sales. I must have about 200 books by now. Some are slanted towards the industrial user, some towards the home shop machinist, and some are, well, odd. Machinery's Handbook is a must have. I read them all from cover to cover several times. I also have subscriptions to Home Shop Machinist, Machinist's Workshop, and Model Engineer's Workshop. These magazines are great as they cover things that while not immediately useful, always eventually answer some question. I am also amassing a collection of "Popular Mechanics Shop Notes" which were put out every year from 1905 onwards and contain many tips and plans. I am subscribed to rec.crafts.metalworking on the usenet, this group, the 7x10, atlas, CAD_CAM-EDM-DRO, modelenglist mailing lists (and now the one for 9x20 lathes, but no messages yet) I read these every day. You have access to the world with the internet, and you learn lots of things. Surf the web, and follow links - there must be several thousand different machining sites. I get together on Thursday nights for a "open shop" at a friend's shop, where a bunch of guys get together, solve machining problems, show off new tools, generally talk about all sorts of topics - several gun nuts, a locksmith, some old machinists, etc all are in the mix. Often there are local clubs (within 60 miles) of most urban areas now. I have read, from cover to cover, at least 6 to 20 of the big industrial supply catalogs - I can generally find almost anything in the MSC catalog in a minute. Knowing what tools exist really helps. I go to industrial auctions - you meet interesting people, see how shops are laid out, and get tools at good prices. I make lots of mistakes - often I'll pop into the shop to "try something", make a mess, and destroy a cutter, ruin a piece of scrap, but always learn in the end - always try new things. Taking on jobs that are over your head will always teach you something. So I guess what I'm trying to say is just immerse yourself in the subject. See our web pages http://www.casco.net/~felice ------- Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:40:08 -0500 From: wmbrady Subject: Re: The Jose tapes [see Nick Carter's site for link] >>> Here is a question. You are a newbie with a bit of machining experience. You got enough money to buy 1 Jose tape. Which one would you buy? I have been working with the taig for a little while so is it better to start with the basic machining tape or to move on to something a little bit more advanced? Just wondering. optimus. <<< My advice: Skip the Taig lathe basic and go for the advanced. Next get the gear making tape. Wm. "Bill" Brady, Harwood MD 38°51'30"N 76°41'00"W - Its in the darkest hour that the most stars come out. ------- Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:09:40 -0800 From: "David Goodfellow" Subject: Re: The Jose tapes He has a GREAT tape on making and using hobs. After watching his tape (a few times) even I was able to do it. Dave Goodfellow Northridge, CA ------- Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:34:08 -0800 From: James Eckman Subject: Re: Digest Number 675 > Time to hit Jose's site... Also Lindsay may still have "How to Make a Form Grinding Attachment for the Watchmakers Lathe" a very nice little pamphlet on making hobs and flycutters for machining clock gears. Also a much older text on the subject that you might be able to get used or from a library is "Practical Benchwork for Horologists" by Levin. It has a very nice section on toolmaking for clock repairers. Jim Eckman ------- Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:04:03 -0700 From: "David Goodfellow" Subject: Re: learning books and video From: Daniel Munoz To: >> I've read TableTop Machining, and as a *very* beginner I would like to buy some other book or maybe video materials that describe the use of Sherline Lathe and Mill with a learning approach. TableTop was very interesting to read and give a full perspective of the tools and what is possible with them, but I would like maybe some full project examples and a more explicit *how* to do, starting from the very beginning. I've noticed there's another book distributed by Sherline, "Home Machinist's Handbook" by D. Briney. And also 2 videos, "Steam Engine Video" from R. Kouhoupt, and "Shop Secrets - Measuring tools" by M. Rehmus. I would apreciate your opinion about which one could suit best my learning needs. If the answer is all of them :-) than, which one buy at first place? The videos are very expensive, I wonder if they are a must for learning, instead of buying 2 or 3 books for the same price. Please let me know. Also, do you have any other suggestions for others books or video ? Thank you for your advice, Daniel. << I have them all, and they all have something to offer. But if I were to buy just one, it would be the steam engine video by Rudy. This takes you through a steam engine project with a Sherline lathe and mill. By the time you've built the steam engine, you'll know from experience a lot of basic machining skills -- and you'll have a working steam engine. I liked that engine so much I made three of them -- one for me and two for gifts. Dave Goodfellow Northridge, CA ------- Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:07:45 -0700 From: Alan Marconett KM6VV Subject: Re: learning books and video I have Tabletop Machining, and I greatly enjoy it! Joe's book is good for giving you ideas, and familiarizing you with the hardware. I'm glad I got it. I also have Home Machinist's handbook, it IS a beginner's book. Stuff you should/could have learned in H.S. shop. But well done, and good coverage if you haven't had it yet. I'll keep it around for my sons. I have Rudy's Steam Engine video (4hrs), and although I thought it was expensive at first, I'm glad I received it for Christmas! He takes you through the steps of building a small engine, and I'm sure you'll pick up some tips. He also has two "Shop wisdom of Rudy Kouhoupt" books out, which I can HIGHLY recommend (I have both volumes, AUTOGRAPHED)! Good steps to follow, illustrations, good projects to build. As you classify yourself as a beginner, I'd suggest Home Machinist's Handbook as a first. Then, if you've a mind to build a very nice little steam engine, go for Rudy's steam engine tape! I haven't built his engine yet (so many engines, so little time...), mainly because I am determined to finish a design of my own, started nearly 30 years ago! It probably depends on how you like to learn. If you can readily learn from books, you might want to get one or both of Rudy's books. If you need to SEE how it's done, then the video will quickly teach you a variety of skills in measuring, layout, and running Sherline mill and lathe. I don't know about "... Measuring tools", maybe sometime later, after someone reviews it! You'll find some measuring in HMH, probably enough to get you started. Enjoy! Alan KM6VV ------- Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:30:57 -0500 From: "TnT Tech Mods" Subject: Re: Re: Atlas shaper... Rich, If you know which issues of PM the articles are in, you might find them in the Periodical Index at your local library. Mine will order reprints of any article contained therein for a nominal fee. Tom Stubblefield SW Missouri A/C 618 owner ------- NOTE TO FILE: INTER-LIBRARY LOAN. Most small libraries (and some big ones too) will have only limited, or no, collections of back issues of periodicals like Popular Mechanics or other hobby magazines. But they do have access to a wonderful process called inter-library loan. Every library can access libraries and museums elsewhere to obtain a short term loan of a book, or a photocopy of a particular article. Make sure you have specific details as to the book or article needed. If the article was spread across several editions, make sure to ask for all parts. If there is a cost, it will be minimal. (My city library does not charge for copies of articles obtained elsewhere, but that may not be typical.) ------- Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 08:43:34 -0500 From: "Koepke, Kevin" Subject: RE: Re: Atlas shaper... Here's a web site that can help find articles and such, for all types of old machinery, including Atlas. It's great! http://www.lathes.co.uk/page21.html -------- Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:40:42 -0700 From: "John Johnson" Subject: Re: Atlas/Craftsman Manual Being a professional in the printing and publishing industry, I have done some checking into copyright law from time to time and as to the Atlas Lathe Manual, here is what I can tell you. Let me first say that I am NOT a copyright attorney, however, I deal with these issues quite often. When the book was last copyrighted in 1957, an author or publisher could copyright the work for 28 years. At that time during the last year a renewal could be applied for and granted that would extend this another 28 years. Thus the renewal date would have had to have been in 1985. If the copyright had not been renewed at that time, then it would be in the public domain and free to anyone to copy at will. However, in 1976, congress changed the law and said that if a book's copyright was currently in effect, it would automatically be extended for a second period of 67 years instead of the second period of 28 years. That would mean that the renewal automatically happened in 1985, and was extend until the year 2052, a total of 95 years. Many other things changed in 1976 and then amended in 1992 which may also affect the copyright on this book. So, unless you have received permission to make copies of this book from Clausing, you could get in trouble if they chose to press charges against you for violating their copyrights. You can read all about this issue at: http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/circs/circ15a.pdf http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/faq.html#q46 http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/circs/circ06.pdf John D.L. Johnson www.LocoGear.com -------- Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:10:39 -0500 From: Larry Richter Subject: Re: Shaper? > > If anyone here can ever get a shaper, get one! Auto feed surfacing, > > internal keyway cutting, incredible surface finishes. Flycutting is > > now too coarse of a finish for my taste. Shapers and horizontal mills are the heart and soul of 19th century firearms manufacturing, and I think they are really the dates that brought 19th century manufacturing to the dance. I think both ideas of yours are real ideas, but that using the table drives to power a cutter is bad and the idea of controlling a small tool grinder with the cutting power coming from some other source than the table drives is good. I think your reduction of the shaper to its most basic idea is very good, because it looks like there is opportunity to do and power the basic functions in newer ways -- threaded bore motors, hydraulics, powered jackscrews. There are a couple of books from Lindsey's that are about building shapers. I have one, one of the older ones from the "make a shop from scrap" series. It's interesting from the viewpoint of showing one basic conventional design without any mystery or unexplained aspects, but it is also plain good sense minus frills in style. There has also been a series of articles on making a small shaper in one of the two home machining magazines from Traverse City, Michigan. Here is the list of shaper articles since 1982: Gear Driven Shapers Reviving a Lunch Break Shaper Large Radius Cylindrical Cuts on a Shaper Build Your Own Shaper - Part IV Build Your Own Shaper - Part III Build Your Own Shaper - Part II Build Your Own Shaper - Part I >From the Scrapbox: A Few Thoughts on Shapers More on a Gear-driven Shaper Conversion Conversion of a Gear-driven Shaper to Hydraulic Drive The Micro Machinist: Making a Clapper The Micro Machinist: Old Iron - Part III The Micro Machinist: Old Iron - Part II The Micro Machinist: Old Iron - Part I Here are the issues that have the series of articles on building one (looks like in Home Shop Machining): The URL of their site is: http://www.homeshopmachinist.net/index.cfm Collins, Marsh HSM 1998 Jul-Aug/ HSM 1998 Sep-Oct/ HSM 1999 Jan-Feb/ HSM 1999 Mar-Apr ------- Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 15:24:52 EDT From: ToolRoomTrusteex~xxaol.com Subject: OT? A book on screwdrivers Last month a book search turned up a book on screwdrivers. I checked my local library (Timberland Regional Library) and they had it. It is titled "ONE GOOD TURN" and is by Witold Rybczynski with an ISBN of 0-684-86729-X . This is a marvelous work. The author details his attempts to find the earliest mention of the screwdriver and screws in literature and graphically. He describes early methods of cutting screws, their use on armor and so forth. If your local library doesn't have it, try an InterLibrary Loan to get it. If you like reading about metalworking, ask your local public library to get books and magazines on it for you. As adults we don't usually use the public schools that eat so much of our real estate taxes but usually the public libraries get a share too. You can ask your library to buy books. I am proud that my requests caused my local library to get a book on Midget Submarines of WWII, the Sherline book on miniature machining, and the 08/15 trilogy video tapes. They haven't gotten every book that I asked for but some have shown up. If you don't like what the library is getting for new books, they likely won't act on complaints but you can ask for books you like and that may well reduce the amount they spend on books you don't like. Larry Murray ------- Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:59:08 -0000 From: "Art Volz" Subject: Popular Science & Popular Mechanics Citations-Part I Keith, et al: These citations are the first scrub of articles from PS and PM magazines as listed, by Volume #, in the "Readers Guide...". Search criteria keywords, on this first scrub, were limited to: "shaper", "milling", & "milling machines". On the next scrub will expand terms to include the more general ones of "metal cutting", "machine tools", "machine shop", and "cutting tools". I've included, in this first listing, the articles that popped up in re "lathe milling attachments" as this is often a first method for someone to get into milling. (Somewhere in my picture archives I have a lathe attachment for a lathe: bolts onto the bed, uses the carraige and crosslide for the table and is belted to a pulley attached to the lathe spindle--I'll have to relocate that one; the Australian Strahan (search: "Strahan") has a model that's actuated in this manner also.) This first list arbitrarily starts in July '32 (when people were starting to make a little bit of disposeable income again after the '28 disaster) until February '65 (when too many people no longer cared to get their hands greasy playing with dem dirty tools). A "?" at the beginning of the citation indicates that the citation may not be a metal cutting machine tool. (NOTE: To locate this list again, search "Popular Mechanics".) V9-Jul 32-Jun 35: --Saving time and expense in milling machine work. H.J. Chamberland. PS 121:86-7 Aug 32 --Milling cutters reground without annealing. F.B. Jacobs. PM 63:627- 8 Apr 35 V10-Jul 35-Jun 37: --? Try these on your shaper. PM 67:146-8 Jan 37 V11-Jul 37-Jun 39: --Drill-vise milling unit on small lathe. PM 71:621-2 Apr 39 --? Home-made shaper has ball-bearing spindle. A.C. Larson. PM 68-941- 3 Dec 37 V12-Jul 39-Jun 41 --Make your own milling cutters and accessories. H.J. Chamberland. PM 75:147-53 Jan 41 --Motor-driven milling attachment fits 9-inch lathe. PM 73:781-3 May 40 V13-Jul 41-Jun 43 --Boring and milling table adds to utility of your lathe. C.W. Woodson. PS 139:188-91 Nov 41 --Faceplate miller; machine large work on a small lathe. F.C. Sinex. PS 141:HW 412-13 Dec 42 --How to sharpen milling cutters. H.J. Chamberland. PM 79:146-53 Jan 43 --Mechanics of a milling machine. H.J. Chamberland. PM 78:146-53 Jul 42 --Milling keyways. PS 142:HW 152-5 May 43 --Using the modern milling machine. PS 142:HW 88-91 Apr 43 --How to use a bench shaper. H.J. Chamberland. PM 77:146-52 Jun 42 Continued at Part II: Art (Houston) +++ Subject: Popular Science & Popular Mechanics Citations: Part II Citations continue: V14-Jul 43-Apr 45: --Inexpensive milling attachment for your lathe. PM 80:137 Sep 43 --Milling a T-shaped bar. PS 144:170-3 May 44 --Milling attachment uses lathe compound. PM 83:127 Mar 45 --Cutting gears on the milling machine. PS 143:HW 548-51 Nov 43 --? Jigs adapt a shaper to special jobs. E.M. Love. PS 145:160-2 N 44 --Using the modern shaper: how a steel V-block is machined on this versatile power tool. PS 143:HW 355-8 Aug 43 V15-May 45-Apr 47: --Mill it in the lathe. S. Brown. PM 83:130-4 May 45 --Fundamentals of milling-machine operation. H.J. Chamberland. PM 86:224-8 Oct 46 Shopmade milling attachment fits any lathe. PM 86:201 Jul 46 V16-May 47-Apr 49: --Finishing and setting up a bench mill. W.E. Burton. PS 152:212-15 --How I built a milling machine. W.E. Burton. PS 151:209-12 Apr 48 --Milling practice. H.J. Chamberland. PM 90:218-22 Dec 48 --Collet holds lathe milling cutters. W.T. Warde. PS 153:185 Jul 48 V17-May 49-Mar51: --Quick milling setups for your lathe. J. Tracy. PS 157:196-9 Aug 50 --Lathe milling fixture has compound-angle setting. E.W. Holt. PM 92:22--4 Dec 49 Continued at Part III. Art (Houston) +++ Subject: Popular Science & Popular Mechanics Citations: Part III Citations continued: V18-Apr 51-Mar 53: --Milling in your drill press. W.E. Burton. PS 160:218-21 Jan 52 --Sawing on the milling machine. S. Brown. PM 96:218-22 Oct 51 --Milling attachment for your lathe. PM 96:211-13 Nov 51 --? Add a shaper to your lathe. R. Kielsmeter. PM 99:215 Jan 53 --? Hand grinder drives model shaper. E. Wright. PWS 159:210 Sep 51 V19-Apr 53-Feb 55: --Milling-machine setups with plain and side mills. S. Brown. PM 101:224-8 Jan 54 --? How of straight shaping. PM 101:212-16 May 54 --Know your metal shaper. S. Brown. PM 101:234-9 Feb 54 --Running curves on a shaper. S. Brown. PM 101:208-12 Apr 54 V20-Mar 54-Feb 59: --Milling attachment for your lathe. J.C. Magee. PM 106:223-6 Nov 56 --Metal shaper for your shop. S.S. Miner. PM 104:227-31 Oct 55 V21-Mar 57-Feb 59: --Milling with angular cutters. S. Brown. PM 107:210-12 May 57 --Hand milling attachment. W.E. Burton. PM 108:210-11 Nov 57 --Contour work with a metal shaper. S. Brown. PM 110:218-21 Oct 58 V22-Mar 59-Feb 61: --None found using current search criteria keywords. V23-Mar 61-Feb 63: --None found using current search criteria keywords. V24 March 63-Feb 65: --? Shaper. PS ?:183 Nov 63 Part IV of "Popular Science & Popular Mechanics Citations" will involve an expanded search criteria keywords of "Readers Guide" Volumes 9 thru 24. Art (Houston) ------- Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 22:39:47 -0000 From: "Art Volz" Subject: Hear Yea! Hear Yea! New Shaper Book Available! Just ordered a paperback copy of Kenneth Cope's just published "American Planer, Shaper and Slotter Builders" from Amazon. It was only $24.95, but I needed to have an order of at least $25 to get free shipping: so I ordered one of his other books too, "Admerican Lathe Builders 1810-1910", also at $24.95. 50 smacks, 2 machine tool books, and 0 highway robbery stick-up by USPS or UPS. When you go to http://www.amazon.com "search" for Kenneth Cope's other tool and machinery books at "authors". Looks like he has a lot of good stuff available. Art (Houston) ------- Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 07:53:27 -0400 From: "Tracy Atkinson" Subject: Re: Totally ignorant questions Original Message ----- From: oldisnew To: sherlinex~xxyahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 5:46 PM Subject: [sherline] Totally ignorant questions >>>[BIG SNIP] Also, I've gotten the Tabletop Machining book. Is there any point to getting The Home Machinist's Handbook too? Thanks! <<< Hello, oldisnew: Just to add my two cents worth, I think Briney's book is a far better introduction to the subject. Also, Sherline's website is one of the best in the business for the beginner. Go to their various "instructions" for the machines themselves, and especially the accessories. There is a goldmine of information in these and it is all written for the layman. Another source of excellent books is MAP in England ("Model and Allied Publications". They have a site also. The general introductions to shop- work are excellent, even though to have to guess-translate some of the terms. (I.e. "silver steel" is "tool steel" to us.) Once you have the title you want you can probably find it from a domestic source. I have learned at least 50% of what I know from Briney, and the rest from MAP books - along with from a lot of mistakes and a lot of good, very skillful friends at my live steam club. If you can find a club nearby you will find a lot of good folks very willing to help a novice - it makes them feel good. Tracy ------- Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:28:20 EDT From: wanlikerx~xxaol.com Subject: Map Machining books > Another source of excellent books is MAP in England ("Model and Allied > Publications". You can get the books thru: wiseowlx~xxsprintmail.com here in the US, also available are many more English and Australian magazines, suggest an email for a catalog. bill CCED ------- Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 10:52:10 -0000 From: "atlas101a" Subject: Re:Machinery's Handbook THE place to go is.... www.bookfinder.com. This site contains thousands of bookstores (second hand too). I used to go to www.abebooks.com, they are still great, but bookfinder also includes abebooks and more... Last month i bought a machinery's handbook for $12.50. good luck, PJ ------- Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:20:56 -0600 From: "Scott S. Logan" Subject: Re: manuals 28 Dec 2002, Harry wrote: > found this manual source on the net. has anyone used them? Are they > selling good manuals. or poor photo copies? > http://www.machinerybrochures.com/shop/page113.html Have you checked their prices? http://www.machinerybrochures.com/pricing.html Many of these manuals are available from the manufacturers, or other sources at a greatly reduced price. For instance, compare some of the following: http://www.machinerybrochures.com/shop/page1381.html http://lathe.safeshopper.com/2/cat2.htm?0 http://www.machinerybrochures.com/shop/page2277.html http://www.southbendlathe.com/manuals.htm http://www.machinerybrochures.com/shop/page177.html http://www.atlas-press.com/servicebulletins.htm Also, don't forget to check out our own compilation of information available FREE for members of this group at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Metal_Shapers/files/ Caveat Emptor. Message from Scott Logan Support the anti-Spam amendment sslx~xxlathe.com Join at http://www.cauce.org/ ------- Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 22:52:41 -0000 From: "bambukouk " Subject: Modern Machine Shop Practice just in case it is interesting to somebody else: I have just discovered the above mentioned book (by Joshua Rose 19th century) on the net in: http://digital.lib.msu.edu/onlinecolls/collection.cfm?CID=10 chapter of particular interest to you guys is (Shaping and Planing Machines): http://digital.lib.msu.edu/applied/modernmachine1/AONch16.pdf apologies if this is a repeat, but couldn't resist sharing it :-) rgrds Chris ------- Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 05:29:34 -0600 From: "Randy Pedersen" Subject: Re: New to group [GOOD LATHE REFERENCE BOOKS?] Here is a list of books that have been great for me as I had never had any lathe training before I purchased my first lathe. 1 "Manual of Lathe Operations & Machinist Tables by Atlas Press" Available from Clausing Ind. for about $25.00 2 "How to Run a Lathe The care and Operation of a Screw Cutting Lathe" Available from Lindsay Publications for about $7.95 as a reprint. 3 "Keep Your Lathe in Trim" same as above. 4 "South Bend Lathe Booklets" same as above. 5 "The Care and Operation of a Lathe" same as above but $7.50 6 "Machinery's Handbook" any addition found mine used on ebay about $6.00 7 "South Bend Lathe Projects" Lindsay Publications $11.95 I hope this helps Randy Pedersen Salina, Ks Atlas 618 South Bend 1946 9" A, 1938 9" C Enco 1105 Mill Drill ------- Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 06:38:20 -0800 From: "Dee Schuyler" Subject: Re: New to group I would like to add, I found a couple books that really helped me, and they are "Machine Tool Practices" and "General Industrial Machine Shop" by Harold Johnson. These both are school text books that I fiound at flea mkts, swap meets very good and a lot easier to absorb than jumping right into Machinery's Handbook Dee ------- Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:59:41 EST From: n8as1x~xxaol.com Subject: Re: New to group add machine tool operation by burghardt,,,vol1 covers bench work /lathe work ...vol 2 is mills .grndrs.shapers .planers pub.around 1922-4 ....author was superintendant of vocational studies ion N.J.....still refer back to it after 50 yrs .it provided the bacground & filled in the gaps of my atlas manual,which was my first tutor,& is now in tatters best wishes docn8as ------- Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 07:50:37 -0500 From: "George Erhart" Subject: Re: Check out US Patent Full-Text Database Number Search You should know that all patents before 1976 are in scanned image format only. To view these patents, you will need to download and install a TIFF image viewer. You can not search patents prior to 1976 by inventor or keyword searches. The URL that I use for accessing the main search page is: http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html George ------- Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 16:58:43 -0000 From: "dshulbert7" Subject: Patent Info. on "Hendey" group Some really good info. in the Hendey group was posted today about obtaining copies of patents from the gov't patent office. Also, an interesting post in the file section in the "Patents" folder has a drawing of a hand operated "Planing Machine" the likes of which I've never seen before. Doug ------- Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 08:31:16 -0000 From: "Art Volz" Subject: Re: Metal Shaper Videos??? Metal_Shapersx~xxyahoogroups.com, "markhubler" wrote: >I am interested in Metal Shapers and wondered if their are any videos >available. I know of one made by Rudy Kouhoupt, are there any others? Mark-- The only 2 VHS video tapes on shapers that I've seen available are Rudy's, with both being purchaseable directly from http://www.bay-com.com "Operating a Shaper" & "6 Projects for a Shaper", if I remember correctly, are the 2 titles. Most of the shaper manufacturers had ceased shaper making, or were long gone, or were virtually destitute, by the time that video taping arrived on the scene. Some of the manufacturers "may" have dabbled in black and white advertising films, at some time, but with all of them now dead, and long departed, and their records looted and destroyed...who knows what once was. From dust to dust. Maybe, somewhere within the subterrainean bowels of the Pentagon, resides, in some dark and dank lowest level store room, an unknown and no longer remembered WWII Army training film; however, if it was printed on "smokeless powder" film...it's in Fiddlers Green. When you think about it, most of the workers, that once made shapers, and planers, and a lot of the stuff that American middle class workers once made, have also already departed for Fiddlers' Green. From dust to dust: the reward of eternity. Then, looking at it from our point of view...that of a group of hobbyists ...there ain't very many of us either, and not many of us who are willing to fork over 56 clams for a video on shapers. I was one of the few, but only bought Rudy's first. Art (Houston) ------- Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 12:42:59 -0000 From: "camonc8" Subject: re videos Being there's no or very few videos to be seen perhaps someone on here who has been using the shaper for many a year could make one for us all too see. I have a good idea of how to use my shaper elliot 10m and I'm yet to do a proper project on it to completion. I think we'd all appreciate a good home made video of someone using a shaper to their full potential so come on guys, anyone out there with the skill and the camera gear to show us how its done... ------- Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:43:04 -1000 (HST) From: Tom Benedict Subject: Re: Re: Metal Shaper Videos??? On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Art Volz wrote: > hobbyists...there ain't very many of us either, and not many of us who > are willing to fork over 56 clams for a video on shapers. I was one of > the few, but only bought Rudy's first. Mind giving us a review of Rudy's video? I've been eyeballing that for a while. My first priority is going to be (finally) finishing my shaper once we finally (FINALLY) move into a house where I can work on it. But once it's finished, I was thinking about asking for Rudy's video for my birthday. I've already picked over the Lindsay catalog and snagged just about everything they've got on operating a shaper. Even so, there's only so much you can get from a book. I'm positive I'm missing at least one key point, if not more. Thanks, Tom ------- Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 23:45:10 -0000 From: "dreilanderecht" Subject: Re: re videos Well, I learned from a book myself :) Actually, I think I have learned most of what I know about shapers from the school of hard knocks... things like making sure the job is properly secured, and making sure nothing is going to foul in any position that the table or ram will be in while working. Really I'm not too sure that making videos about such a specialist interest is viable, even on a "not for profit" basis. There are actually too many different things that could be covered to possibly fit into a short video, let alone the time it would take to set them all up and film. I'd suggest that what we have here is actually the basis for providing a lot of useful information. If each of us tries to document any interesting operations and maybe take a few pictures, we can put them in the files area and have a mine of useful information. Sometimes seeing how the other guy managed something completely differently will help you to see what is possible and help solve your particular machining problem. Of course, every make of machine is different, and we also all have different measuring and setting up aids....and really, the art of machining, whether on a shaper, a lathe, or one of these new fangled mills, has more to do with figuring out how to align and hold the job than it does to do with actually performing the cuts. regards John ------- Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 07:59:46 -0000 From: "Art Volz" Subject: Re: Metal Shaper Videos??? Tom-- Let me answer your question in two parts: this part now, and a later part later. I purchased Rudy's "Operating a Shaper" in the fall of 1999, soon after I had bought my Lewis-10. I ordered it by mail directly from Bay-Com. Several weeks later I received a copy of Rudy's video "Operating a Horizontal Milling Machine". Of course I watched it--starring an Atlas benchtop horizontal--and then returned it saying that they had sent the wrong one. Several more weeks expired before I received the correct video "Operating a Shaper". It came with a multiple-page printed outline. It features Rudy and an ancient benchtop shaper older than he is. It wasn't one of the usual suspects--not a Logan, or an Atlas, or a South Bend, or even an AMMCO--I don't even think it was a crank shaper, but it may have been a geared-drive shaper (rack and pinion). (I just hurriedly paged thru Cope's "American Planer, Shaper and Slotter Builders" and did not see it right off. It might be there and I just missed it...and then it might not be represented at all.) I remember I watched the video once in 1999, immediately after I got the right one, yawned afterwards with a large "Ho-hum!", and put it up on the shelf where it has sat unmolested since that time. I do not remember much about it as it was generally unmemorable. It is, however, very elementary and extremely fundamental and, for outright neophytes, is probably a good place to start...if the tab wasn't 57 green smack-olas. (ppd). I took it down from the shelf one wee morn last week (after the local re- run of a Mash episode on the boob tube), blew off a 3+ year accumulation of dust and grime, jammed it into the tape machine, got it up and running...and almost immediately fell asleep in my Captain's chair. On the other hand, I was tired, as it was almost 5:30 AM...and no one in his right mind ought to be looking at shaper videos (at least not this kind of shaper :-) ) so late at nite or so early in the morning. It was, however, before BMNT, so you can't castigate me on that account. To give the video a fairer shake, let me re-watch it in its entirety...(you know now that I'm a true blue masochist at heart)...and then I'll write and post some more words about it here. But, if you need my opinion, as it is right now, as to whether I would again purchase this video after seeing it once and then storing it there after, the answer would be no. Art (Houston) ------- Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 04:40:59 -0000 From: "Art Volz" Subject: Re: Metal Shaper Videos--PART II Tom--I was finally able to complete my second viewing of Rudy K's "Operating a Shaper"--my first viewing was in 1999. The video is...well, let me say it this way: it took me since Monday to go thru the whole thing (2 hours at run speed) again. Pure pain & agony. The only thing that made it bearable at all was my discovery of my button-box-remote's fast forward and very fast forward buttons...but, even then, whenever I slowed down to hear and see what was happening it was as if nothing had happened: like being trapped in a time bubble. Rudy's bench top shaper is a cutie, although after going thru Cope's a second time, I was still unable to locate and identify it. Maybe it was made after 1910; maybe it was not included in the book because it is a 3-incher (I think that's what I heard Rudy say once when I wasn't fast-forwarding). Anyway, it is a crank shaper after all, with an internal horizontal crank arm unlike the Boynton & Plummer's external crank arm. The shaper, itself, is the only star of this video. One of the lessons, that at least I learned from this video, is that making a video is not easy. The outline needs to be written and tested up front, and not after the video has been completed. Really, more than an outline is required for creating a quality product. In the movie business, while they'll start with a script of sorts, will then develop, and re-develop, a story board...until they've got it just right. And that's way before they start filming...and then they have an exact script, worded exactly the way they want down to the dotting of the eyes and the crossing of the tees. To me...and I've got an earned Masters in Occupational Education: Training & Development...this was never done. It is also apparent, again at least to me, that very little research of the available literature on shapers...you really have to hunt for it like I have...was ever done. That being said, I repeat my previous statment that I would not buy this video again, especially after watching it twice. There are many useful purposes for which $57 of hard earned cold cash can be spent: this video is NOT one of them. Sorry...that's the way I see it. I wish it was the other way. Art (Houston) ------- Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 03:41:34 EST From: maytagtwinx~xxaol.com Subject: Re: Re: Metal Shaper Videos??? Hi Tom and Art, I have Rudy's video, bought it several years ago before I had a running shaper. About three months ago I watched it (nodding off from time to time) but I did stick with it to the end. When I cranked up the SB 7" the other day for the first time, Rudy's suggestions were helpful. The first thing I remembered was the adjusting of the stroke. Next was the need for clapper action and how to tilt the head to achieve clearance for the return stoke. Now that I have made a few chips, and seen a beginning of what the SB can do, I will go back and watch Rudy's tape again. I'll keep the tape with the shaper and it may be of use to the next owner when I no longer am able to play with it. Art, you asked about the threads for the feet for the shaper base. They are 3/4" with 10 TPI. A farmer friend stopped by and said he had some in his cultch* box. He returned with a set of 4, 5" in grade five. I'll make up some pads for them and mount them head down with locking nuts. We'll be in business. Ron Carroll, mgr Clearmont Research Applications Project (CRAP) P.O. Box 118 Clearmont, MO 64431 *cultch, for the uniniated, is that stuff that collects and fills boxes. It has no present purpose, but is needed shortly after you throw it away. ------- Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:33:59 +0000 From: Tony Jeffree Subject: I've just heard from my printers that my Taig book has now been printed & is ready to ship (literally ship - it is being printed in Singapore). So I should have copies available in a small number of weeks now. I was amused to notice that Amazon already lists it on their UK website - they obviously picked up on the ISBN number registration. See the entry in my "bookshop" at: http://www.jeffree.co.uk/ModelEngineering.html Regards, Tony ------- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:55:04 +0000 From: Tony Jeffree Subject: Taig Book contents The contents looks like this: Contents Acknowledgments i Preface iii 1 Introduction 1 1.1 Applications 2 1.2 Safety 3 2 Assembly and mounting 7 2.1 Assembling the lathe 7 2.2 Choosing a motor 11 2.3 Mounting the lathe 13 2.4 Motor mounting techniques 14 2.5 Maintenance 18 3 Work-holding devices 19 3.1 The 3-jaw chuck 19 3.2 The 4-jaw independent chuck 21 3.3 The face plate 22 3.4 Tailstock drill chucks 23 3.5 Drill chuck arbor 24 3.6 Collets 25 3.7 Blank and special purpose arbors 26 3.8 Tailstock support 28 4 Cutting tools 29 4.1 Tool posts 29 4.2 HSS tool bits 32 4.3 Carbide tools 33 4.4 Replaceable tip tools 33 4.5 Sharpening lathe tools 35 4.6 Boring bars 37 4.7 Making a boring bar holder 38 4.8 Radius turner 40 4.9 Slitting saw 40 4.10 Using cutting fluid 41 5 Standard accessories 43 5.1 The lever operated drilling tailstock 43 5.2 Needle bearing centre 44 5.3 Milling slide and milling vice 44 5.4 Milling cutters 45 5.5 Compound slide 46 5.6 Steady rest 47 5.7 Riser blocks 47 5.8 Chuck depth stop 48 5.9 Grinding wheel set 49 5.10 Tailstock die holder 49 5.11 Spindle wrench 49 5.12 Wood-turner's face plate 50 5.13 Adjustable toolrest 50 5.14 Lathe dog 51 6 Using the lathe 53 6.1 Care of the lathe 53 6.2 Fitting and removing chucks 55 6.3 Using collets 56 6.4 Selecting the right cutting speed 56 6.5 Parallel turning 58 6.6 Turning between centres 58 6.7 Taper turning 61 6.8 Milling 61 7 Checking alignment 65 7.1 Spindle runout 66 7.2 Axial alignment 66 7.3 Checking axial alignment quickly 68 7.4 Checking axial alignment accurately 69 7.5 Adjusting the tailstock quickly 70 7.6 Checking tailstock alignment accurately 73 8 Enhancing the lathe 75 8.1 Spinning handles 75 8.2 Locking knobs and handles 76 8.3 Extending the tailstock lever 77 8.4 Micrometer set-over adjuster 79 8.5 A filing rest 82 8.6 Machining small screws 85 8.7 Handwheel adaptor 88 8.8 Additional chucks 89 8.9 A tailstock travel indicator 91 9 Dividing and graduating 93 9.1 Simple dividing operations 94 9.2 Graduating using the lathe 96 9.3 Dividing heads and rotary tables 96 9.4 Headstock dividing attachment 98 9.5 Building the dividing attachment 100 9.6 Modifying the headstock 102 9.7 The brake shoe 106 9.8 The pinch bolt and tommy bar 107 9.9 The dividing assembly mounting plate 109 9.10 Modifying the 20dp worm wheel 110 9.11 The division components 111 9.12 The primary worm carrier 111 9.13 The secondary worm assembly 112 9.14 The primary worm shaft 115 9.15 Index plate boss 116 9.16 The sector arms 117 9.17 Division plates and hole circles 119 9.18 The indexing arm components 121 9.19 Tailstock support 123 9.20 Putting it all together 123 9.21 Direct dividing setup 124 9.22 Simple and compound dividing setup 124 9.23 Simple division 125 9.24 Compound division 125 9.25 Using a protractor 127 10 Adding a leadscrew 129 10.1 Attaching the drive to the spindle 130 10.2 The tumbler support bracket 132 10.3 The tumbler assembly 134 10.4 The dog clutch 141 10.5 Fitting the clutch 146 10.6 The leadscrew 148 10.7 The split nut assembly 153 10.8 The "banjo" components 158 10.9 Fine feed set-up 161 10.10 Screw cutting set-up 163 10.11 A word on safety 165 Annex A Suppliers and other resources 167 A.1 Taig dealers 167 A.2 Tool suppliers 171 A.3 Other suppliers 171 A.4 Internet resources 172 Annex B Lathe specifications 173 B.1 General Specifications 173 B.2 Capacity 173 B.3 Spindle 174 Index 175 I've had a couple of off-list emails about availability in the USA. Nick Carter has indicated to me that he will want to keep a small stock of copies, so let him know if you want to put your name down for a copy. Regards, Tony ------- Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:45:34 -0800 From: Alan Marconett KM6VV Subject: Re: steam and stirling book Bill McKillip wrote: > Has anyone bought the book "Steam and Stirling". I would like to > move on from basic wobblers, but I can't find any plans that are just > one step up from wobblers. Or maybe you can point me to a good plan > somewhere on the net that is not too difficult. I have looked at some > of the other obvious yahoo groups. Bill Hi Bill, I have two "Steam and Stirling" books, and can recommend both. I'd also highly recommend the three "The Shop Wisdom of Rudy Kouhoupt" volumes. Also recommended is Stuart Model's "Building a Vertical Steam Engine", Which details the construction of the 10V (and similar) vertical steam engines. I learned quite a bit from this book, and was able to build the engines pictured in the files section under "KM6VV Engines". Alan KM6VV -------- Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:17:28 -0800 From: "Nicholas Carter and Felice Luftschein" Subject: Tony's book "The Taig Lathe" now in stock I received 100 copies of Tony's book today. The price is $24.00 with free media mail shipping, or $3.00 extra for priority mail shipping in the US. Canadian orders may cost more, I need to do a little research as well as get to Staples and buy some mailing envelopes. Look for a review of the book and details on my website in a day or two. See our web pages http://www.cartertools.com/nfhome.html ------- Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:21:36 -0000 From: "jeastwoodlm" Subject: Re: steam and stirling book After I built two wobblers I too was ready for something a little more advanced. Allow me to recommend Ed Warren's books: below is an excerpt from a message I sent a while back (search for Ed Warren in this [SHERLINE] group's archives...) "I'll continue my "boosterism" of Ed Warren's plans, described in two volumes titled "Home Made Steam Engines", available from Camelback Press (go to www.4w.com/modeltec/ for one place to order them; Powells Technical bookstore in Portland Oregon also has them in stock.)" Volume 2 of Home Made Steam Engines has several nice engines that I'd call intermediate for required skill/experience level. I just finished his "Miss Too" engine a few weeks back; it has valve gear, unlike a wobbler, and was fun to make and a good way to develop my machining skills. It's of a size that's easy to to make on Sherline equipment. He has several others in that volume that look good too. I'm currently working on the Phil Duclos "Hula" engine described in the Steam and Stirling vol. 2 book; looks like a lot of work, but since I first read about it I've "lusted" after it. Good luck (and have fun!), ------- Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 19:21:39 -0000 From: "Walter Anderson" Subject: Tony's book [ON TAIG] My copy just arrived from Nick. I just spent my lunch hour reading it. I have to say I have a MAJOR COMPLAINT about the book... Why wasn't it available a year ago when I was getting started! ;-) This book answers so many of the questions I had. I hope Taig adds this to their product line. Tony, you are to be commended on a fine job. Walter ------- Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 08:08:26 +0100 From: Tony Jeffree Subject: Re: Got the book At 00:15 08/04/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Kudos, Tony. Every bit the precisely constructed product we've come >to know you for. Wonderfully laid out. A real Keeper. Thanks! >I just know >it will all soak in as I'm a bit distracted (my natural condition, >really) with projects. I warn you in advance that I may post an "AH- >HAA!" months from now on this group. I look forward to it. And please let me know if you find anything that needs fixing - already started collecting (so far only minor) changes for a 2nd edition. [2005 NOTE: second edition is out.] Regards, Tony ------- Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 19:58:28 -0000 From: "Art Volz" Subject: Re: do you ever lube the cutter when shaping? [NOTE: This question was posed with regard to a shaper but the books recommended deal with all types of machining. As Art very correctly points out, metal machining is done on different machines but the actual micro process can be really the same. Metal moves over the cutter, or cutter moves through the metal. Same thing to the metal being cut. Think outside the box and apply lessons from one machine or process to another.] Lynn-- Al is right. It seems, however, that it's time, Lynn, for you to open up your wallet again and fork over some real cash, or go to you friendly local public library and ask them about "Inter Library Loans". Your unrelenting thirst for knowledge needs quenching immediately. A fantastic "quencher" is Steve Krar's "Technology of Machine Tools, 5th Ed." (Glencoe/McGraw-Hill, (C)1997, ISBN 0-02-803071-0, TJ1185.K668 1997, 621.9'02--dc20, LC 96-5183) which has Unit 32 (Chapter 32) entitled "Cutting Fluids-Types and Applications". And then, when you wanna know something else 'bout x-chining it has a detailed index to its 850+, 8-1/2x11 sized copiously illustrated with enumerated procedures, pages. You can't go wrong. With this book in hand you, Lynn, will soon be answering the questions and not asking them. Some may object to the $99 dollar price tag for a new one, but then look for a used one. Borrow one--via Inter Library Loan--from the public library first if you ain't got no coins burnin' a hole thru your pocket. A specific machine tool capability (other than already acquired knowledge) is really composed of 3 main parts: (1) the machine tool itself; (2) tooling and accessories (usually the MOST costly); (3) documentation to include OEM manuals AND textbooks on MACHINING TECHNOLGY. Krar's is the best that I have found on the 3rd requirement; if anyone can discover a better one, currently available, let me know. I used Krar's book as the core text for a university Engineering Technolgy class that I designed, developed, and taught several years ago. Nothing specifically on shapers/planers (older Krar editions had this info--they are featured in my 3rd Edition), but a shaper, if you look at it from a different point of view, is really a "flat cutting lathe"--generally what is true for a lathe is applicable, generically, to a shaper/planer, but you've got to be able to "read between the lines"...to "see" outside of your box. Enjoy! Art (Houston) ------- Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 01:55:09 EDT From: anthrhodesx~xxaol.com Subject: Re: Two important questions [COMPANY'S ATLAS LATHE MANUAL] In a message dated Wed, 7 May 2003 16:42:59 -0700 (PDT), Lemual Moss writes: << --- First the easy one. I have the book manual of Lathe operation, post marked april 25, 1947 .on box. Well it seems that something is missing. Page 61 stops and the next chapter starts with page 157 Is this normal for these books or is there an error here?--->> No, this is not normal. In front of me I have a copy of the book copyrighted 1988 (latest version from Clausing). P. 61 is the 17th page of a section entitled "The Machining of Various Metals" which continues through p. 65. This is followed by sections on "Holding the Work" (pp. 67 through 80) and "Drilling and Boring" (pp. 81 through 91). The section on "Threading" starts on p. 93 and runs through p.174, starting out with general concepts on threading and specs on specific threads, then a sub-section on thread cutting on the 12" with QC, then the 12" without QC, and then the 6" lathe. So you are missing a lot of important information. I also have a 1937 edition, slightly different pagination through p. 93, then it's completely missing the "Threading" section, picking up again at p.157 with the section "Lathe Attachments and Their Uses". It's my understanding that in those earlier years the threading section was provided seperately depending on which model of lathe you had, 6", 9", or 10", or 12", and possibly whether you had a QC Box or not. I also have a xerox copy of a 1937 edition, similar to the above 1937 version but which includes the threading information for the 6" lathe only, running to 61 pages. Hope the above helps. Anthony Berkeley, Calif. ------- Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 09:29:02 -0700 From: Alan Marconett KM6VV Subject: Re: Horizontal Steam Engines [SHERLINE GROUP] Gdavis5000x~xxaol.com wrote: > > I've uploaded pix of a pair of horizontal steam engines > > that I've just completed. Hi George, Dan: Thanks for the kind words! The camera is a Nikon 880, which I like. The book is "Steam Engine Design", a reprint by Lindsay Publications, ISBN 0-917914-10-4. Other good books are: "Building a Vertical Steam Engine" by Andrew Smith "Model Stationary and Marine Steam Engines" by K.N.Harris Alan KM6VV ------- Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 08:57:32 -1000 (HST) From: Tom Benedict Subject: Books on clock gears 16 May 2003 Xeno3579x~xxcs.com wrote: >"I've got another one on tooth profiles for clock gears, and how to >generate the shapes for the cutters. It's completely different from the >involute gear tooth forms, so there's very little cross-over between >this one and the other two." >Could you please tell me the name of the book, and the author's name? Sure thing! There are actually two. One is published by Lindsay Publications (http://www.lindsaybks.com). It's by a guy named "Robert Porter", and is titled "How to Make a Tool Grinding Attachment for the Watchmaker's Lathe for Making Gear Cutters and the Like". I think it shows up in the catalog under "Tool Grinding Attachment". Not exactly descriptive. As the title suggests, the book is focused on making tools to cut clock wheel and pinion cutters. The second is "Clock Wheel and Pinion Cutting" by J.M. Wild. This is more the process involved in cutting the wheels and pinions themselves, though he does go into tooth form. Neither is very expensive. I'm glad I got them both. Tom ------- Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 21:06:12 -0000 From: "Thomas Firecracker" Subject: Shaper Books John, I almost forgot . Regarding the books, you can order them thru www.astragalpress.com . The titles are American Lathe Builders 1810- 1910 and American Planers, Shapers, and Slotter Builders. Both are by author Kenneth Cope and can be bought separately or as a set . Thomas ------- Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:44:36 EDT From: wanlikerx~xxaol.com Subject: Kozo Hirokas 6/21/2003, sherlinex~xxyahoogroups.com writes: > In fact I have purchased all of Kozo Hirokas books just for the > illustrations of his fabrication techniques. He is a master of it. For anyone just starting out, or with a small limited machine, these are required reading. He will teach you techniques on how to make the most of your machines, and the abilities to fabricate parts without needing castings. If you want follow his teachings from the start you will end up with a nice locomotive, but the education from a master is worth away more than the price of his books. bill CCED ------- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:51:02 -0500 From: "Nance, Tom" Subject: RE: Re: Kozo Hirokas [sherline] June 22, 2003 mwhirailer [mailto:mwhirailerx~xxameritech.net] wrote: >> Wow, I found his books. Thanks for the info guys!!! IIRC there are three books covering the Shay, Climax, and Heisler. Which has the most info on machining? Is there one that is a must have before the others? Thanks, Terry << Hi Terry, The books are not a series. That is, each one stands alone and does not require information from a previous book. Each one describes the construction of a fabulously detailed locomotive. The models are made completely from readily available bar stock and does not require any castings. They are built in 3/4" scale and finding tracks at that scale may be a bit difficult. However, if you divide all measurements by 2, (3/8 scale) you get pretty close to G-scale for which track is available almost everywhere. You will have to manually adjust the axle lengths for 1:32 track or whatever you decide you will use. You can also multiply the measurements by 2 to get 1-1/2" scale. There are some clubs that have lines at this scale. As for which book to get first, I'd say get them all. Each locomotive has different machining problems and the solutions of which may be applied to some other projects you may have. If your juices get flowing and you want to build one of these beauties, let me caution you and say that the one book of Mr. Hiraoka that you didn't mention - The Pennsylvania A3 Switcher - may be the place to start. Unlike the other locomotives, the A3 switcher is not gear driven. Working with gears always increases the complexity and lowers the machining tollerances. The A3 has a very forgiving, straightforward design. I would start there. But that's just me. The Shay almost *requires* CNC. I don't see how anyone can freehand some of the mill movements his instructions describe. Tom Nance Corpus Christi, TX ------- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 11:44:53 -0400 From: "Ron Ginger" Subject: Re: Kozo > I did a search with Google and turned this up. > http://plsntcov.8m.com/differential.htm That's my web site; I don't think Kozo is mentioned on that page. The page is about an all spur gear differential I made for a steam traction engine. Kozo has written articles, then turned into books, for LIVE STEAM magazine for about 20 years. As others have noted he is a master at simplification, and his drawings are just amazing. Note his drawings must be all done by hand because his first works were published long before CAD. I think some of his techniques are much like one would do with a solid modeler CAD system. If you wanted to draw a complicated casting like a steam engine bed you would build it up from basic geometry like cubes, cylinders, sheets, etc. If you want to build a one-off model do the same thing, silver soldering the bits together. One of Kozo's major 'secrets' is small brass screws, about 2-56. These are used to hold parts together while silver soldering. After they are soldered the screw heads are simply filed or milled off. I'm not really interested in locomotive models, but I did buy all Kozo's books just for the techniques. It is interesting to compare Kozo and Rudy Kouhoupt. Both have written many articles, both have a unique drawing style and both write very clear and informative text. Rudy builds models that look very simplistic when finished; Kozo builds mechanical masterpieces. Both use simple techniques. ron ginger ------- Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 15:35:41 EDT From: catboat15x~xxaol.com Subject: Re: Re: Kozo Hirokas In a message dated 6/22/2003, Tom.Nancex~xxFleetPride.com writes: > The Pennsylvania A3 Switcher - may be the place to start. Yes, the Pennsy switcher is a beginners locomotive. It does call for wheel castings though, but if you get the driving wheel castings for the Raritan 2-4-0 from Tanski Engnineering the castings are the right size for the the switcher. I have both the book and the castings in my stash of "someday to do" things. Also piles of scratch paper sketches to use the Tanski castings, Koso's drawings to make a freelance locomotive using Koso's boiler and valve gear as I don't really care for the Pennsy's looks. Maybe age it a dozen years or so and wed koso's stuff with Tanski castings and make a 2-4-0 with Koso's boiler and valve gear. BTW for you in the states Koso uses metric sizes so keep your calculator warm and convert metric threads to SAE. John LBSC Virginia LBSC Tich 200 some feet of 3.5 inch ground level track ------- Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 17:38:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Head Subject: Excellent Web Link This may be old news to this group, but I just stumbled onto a fantastic one-stop-shopping engineering/mechanical/machining reference web site. It is www.engineersedge.com TONS of reference materials, charts, and standards information, such as: Drill Tap chart Drill Size chart Screw Size chart Trigonometric formulae Tolerance standards ISO and ANSI stanards CAD file standards etc Thought I would pass it along, just in case you haven't been there yet. Also, I don't post to this group very often, but I do read almost every post everyday, and I want to thank everyone for all the invaluable information!! Patrick T. Head ------- Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 06:21:44 -0600 From: "Randy Pedersen" Subject: Re: Books [for new owner of Atlas lathe] The best manuals I have found are the Atlas "Manual of Lathe Operations and Machinist Tables", available for Clausing Ind. South Bend's "How to Run a Lathe" available from Lindsay Publications and Sheldon's "The Care and Operation of a Lathe also available from Lindsay Publications. Your shop will need a copy of "Machinery's Handbook" this gives you the information on the strength of materials, gearing, screws, allowances and tolerances for fits, speeds and feeds and tons of other information. The following is a list of places to find parts, accessories and information for your machine: http://www.atlas-press.com/service.htm This is the manufacture of the Atlas equipment and will have a parts breakdown and the manual mentioned above. http://www.lathes.co.uk/index.html This site has a ton of information on just about any lathe. Has very good section on Atlas and South Bend. http://www.mermac.com Meridian Machinery sometimes has used parts. http://www.paramountmachinery.com/ Paramount Machinery Corp. sometimes has used parts. I have no web address for the following: Sobel Machinery All types of used machines and parts. 93 Garry Rd. Closter, NJ 07624, (201) 768-9645, (201) 768-2842 (FAX) Plaza Machinery Co. Used machinery and parts. P.O. Box 14, Bethel, VT 05032, (802) 234-9673, (802) 234-6325 (FAX), E-Mail: amy.bergamox~xxquest-net.com I am sure others on the list will give you some more but this should get you started. Randy Pedersen Salina, Ks Atlas 618 South Bend 1946 9" A, 1938 9" C Enco 1105 Mill Drill ------- Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 04:38:33 -0000 From: "noxonje" Subject: Re: Books Try Powell's Books in Portland Oregon. They have a book store that is one whole city block and 5 stories high. They also have a technical books store a couple of blocks away that has 3 floors and is half a block square. I think it is www.powells.com One heck of a place. I have been there a couple of times; it is unbelievable. j ------- Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:40:35 -0600 From: "Ray Ethridge" Subject: Re: SHAPING SQUARE HOLES Probably the best I know of is to get a copy of "Building a Single-shot, Falling-block Rifle Action" by Walter B. Mueller, from Villiage Press. In it there is a pretty good description of the process, unfortunately set up on a vertical mill. You just have to re-orient it so the shaper is doing the job you need to do, but the instructions are pretty good. [run following two lines together, no space, for address] http://www.homeshopmachinist.net/store/index.cfm?curloca tion=4&dig=1&itemnum=RA&start=1&maxrows=10 Ray Ethridge ------- Subject: Re: Re:Patent search oldtools digest From: Trevor Robinson Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 16:19:05 -0500 (EST) You can search patents of several countries by going to http://ep.espacenet.com. US Patents go back to the beginning, but others start later. I think that British start only about 1850. They have, as well, French, German, and Japanese; but I have no experience with those. Trevor ------- Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 00:40:25 -0800 From: "Larry Richter" Subject: Re: Re: Injection molding with This book has been around a long time, in a couple of editions. Because what Cannon called "rubber" when he titled the book was really room temperature curing elastomers of a couple of kinds, it edges into small scale production of what amounts to rigid parts. The mold principles apply for any material. The emphasis of what he was interested in seems to have been replacement parts for the consumables in collector market items like cars and old farm machinery. I have had a copy of the first edition for a long time, and have not used one of Cannon's schemes directly, but I have used things that were a reaction to Cannon's ideas. If you can get a look at it, it is probably worthwhile to do so. A lot of them out there in libraries and used. ABE listing-- Cannon, William A. How to Cast Small Metal and Rubber Parts Blue Ridge Summit,PA: TAB Books Inc. 1986. Paper Back. Near Fine/No Jacket. Second Edition. 8vo - over 7¾" - 9¾" tall. Book: Slightly cocked. Lots of photo's and illustrations. ISBN:0830604146 Bookseller Inventory #001230 Price: US$ 10.00 (Convert Currency) Bookseller: River Rat Books, Manvel, ND, U.S.A. There are also genuine technical books on injection molding on ABE, retired ones that went into that retirement when their owners did. I saw one listed on ABE from 1947, which would have been when U.S. "get it done" technology was at it's most robust and flexible, kind of like German chemical industry practice in the wide open 1880's and 90's. Some or all of whatever there has been out there is usually available on interlibrary loan, and you can see from them what the original idea was, and what low cost solutions there were available before huge took over as the only acceptable size for tooling, etc. -------- Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:26:39 -0000 From: "Walter Anderson" Subject: Re: Books I've put together a machining blibliography that even includes some links to free books available on the web. You can view it at: http://www.geocities.com/wandrson/taig/bibliography.html Walter ------- Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:07:19 -1000 (HST) From: Tom Benedict Subject: RE: Re: Books On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Carol & Jerry Jankura wrote: > Hi, Tom: What's your opinion on the usefulness of Tony Jeffree's > book for a NON Taig desktop tool owner? -- Jerry I think it'd be useful. It's Taig-centric in much the same way that Doug Briney's book focuses on Sherline tools, and to some extent the way Joe Martin's "Tabletop Machining" book SERIOUSLY focuses on Sherline tools. Still, I got a lot out of both books, and the only piece of Sherline equipment I own is my rotary table. I think a non-Taig owner would get a lot out of Tony's book. There are some sections that may not be as useful to someone with another lathe. Tony goes into the Taig accessories. That might or might not be useful. Still, I could see someone with a 7x12 lathe going, "Holy cow! I can get [accessory x] and adapt it to my lathe!". Good case in point is Jose's adaptation of the Taig vertical slide as a small milling slide on his Minilathe. The leadscrew section would probably hold no appeal to a Sherline owner at all for obvious reasons. But the dividing head stuff could be adapted to a Sherline headstock without to much re-engineering. If I had a Sherline CNC mill without a rotary table, or if I was doing rotary work on narrow long things, I'd definitely think about making a CNC-ized version of Tony's dividing head out of a Sherline headstock so I could bolt it to my table and use it. I've got that Sherline CNC rotary table, and I'm still considering making one of Tony's dividing heads simply because it's based off a headstock, and can be used in other ways. The non-Taig specific sections that are geared toward getting people new to metalwork up to speed on a small lathe would be useful to pretty much anyone with a small lathe, not just someone with a Taig. All in all I think it's worth a look-see, regardless of the tools you use. Tom ------- Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:36:36 -0000 From: "dreilanderecht" Subject: Shapers in ME [Metal_Shapers group at Yahoo] I have uploaded a file to the Metal_shapers_pix group called "Shapers in ME.doc". Sorry all you Linux or BSD users, it is in MS Word format so that I can do tables. It has three tables in it, one being the articles where the "category" is shaper, the second being articles where the title contains shaper, and the third being articles where the notes contains shaper. There will therefore be some duplication. (I dunno how to do "or" in a query!) The index I used contains issues from volume 30 to about now. Vol 30 is 1914. My own collection starts at 1940 which makes it about volume 82. Of course, if I get a sudden rush of requests for photocopies I might have to ask for something to cover costs, but I'm usually happy to photocopy old articles...I like to get a postcard in return...maybe I should ask for a piece of toolsteel! (This is not a commercial.) I can get access to older ones, but not at short notice. I'll probably try and get copies of all of these articles for my own nefarious purposes so later may be better able to help anyone who wants them. For those unfamiliar, Model Engineer is probably the longest running amateur hobby magazine, or at least in the Engineering field. Publication started in 1898. Covers what the Americans would call "home shop" as well as models, but probably strongest on model steam. regards John ------- Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:33:14 -0000 From: "dreilanderecht" Subject: Model Engineer Articles I spent half an hour or so tonight and have dug out a dozen or so of the issues of Model Engineer referred to in the tables I posted. These are most of the ones from about the forties to the sixties. Most of them refer to the Perfecto or the Adept. One, about using a shaper as a power hacksaw, was written by none other than Neville Shute Norway, better known for writing "On the Beach", "Trustee from the Toolroom" and some other good reads. Probably best thing to do with these is gradually scan them and post them in the PIX group, although we probably won't be able to leave them posted forever. Most of the articles are things like fitting power to hand shapers and fitting various forms of auto feed. One heretic fitted a milling spindle. Actually I just received a cheque today from Model Engineer for a couple of articles I wrote. One was on using the shaper to make a dovetail novelty...a block of aluminium and a block of steel that appear to be joined by two crossed dovetails. Well of course all is not as it appears, but it makes a very challenging machining exercise. They seem quite keen to have more shaper stuff so I am writing up some other interesting bits. regards John ------- Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:12:40 -0000 From: volzmechatronicx~xxyahoo.com Subject: Re: Model Engineer Articles My favorite Nevil Shute (Nevil S. Norway) book was "Sliderule: Auto- biography of an Engineer". The account of the two competing dirigible designs in post WWI England--he was an engineer for the one that was properly designed as the other one, "engineered" with mumble jumble and alchemy, crashed soon after its takeoff for India--is in itself fascinating. I've read it several times, and each time it is better... like old IT wine. Art (Houston) ------- Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 09:17:56 -0000 From: "Jim Knighton" Subject: Re: Dovetail cutting > I've never cut a dovetail (male or female) on a mill. I have a > project that, while it may not be the only way, I want to try it to > learn how. First attempt will be with a 45 degree 3/8 wide dovetail > bit in nylon. Then again in aluminum. I am looking for info on how > to make the cuts, speeds, feeds, gotchas, and wisdom from those who > have done them. Is there anyone here familiar with the procedure or > can you point me to a URL or book with help? Rusty Turley Like you, I was apprehensive about cutting a dovetail and wanted to see it done before trying it myself. Normally, I just jump in and learn from my mistakes. Not this time - I was more worried about screwing up an expensive and fragile looking cutter than anything else. I was sufficiently nervous that I purchased Jose Rodriguez's video on making a miniature boring head. The boring head project has matching male and female dovetails as well as some other interesting and useful operations. I got what I needed out of it and my first dovetail turned out just fine. Who knows, maybe I'll even build Jose's boring head someday. The video isn't wildly expensive and is available in both VHS and DVD from Little Machine Shop. Regards, Jim Knighton ------- Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 19:35:40 -0600 From: "Clifton Lowry" Subject: Re: Drawings for Clock Wheel Making Engine Complete plans can be found in the now-defunct English magazine THE CLOCKMAKER. The articles ran from Vol 1#7(Apr/May91) thru Vol 2 # 4 Oct/Nov 92). The author was Eliot Isaacs, FBHI. The plans are VERY complete and even contains detailed instructions for making the necessary division plates. Anyone of the British booksellers should have the bound volumes; if memory serves me, the books cost about $75. Clif San Antonio ------- Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 19:47:00 -0000 From: "Marv Paisner" Subject: Re: Drill Bit geometry?? --- In taigtools "steve sc" wrote: > A question for the experts on drill bits. I have been web searching > but cannot seem to find the geometry of a standard twist drill bit. > Of specific interest is the relationship of the cutting edge Some information here: http://155.217.58.58/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/tc/9-524/Ch4.htm#top It is part of the "US Army Fundamentals of Machine Tools" site: http://155.217.58.58/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/tc/9-524/toc.htm hope this helps, Marv ------- Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 21:55:12 +0200 From: "Dushan Grujich" Subject: Re: Drill Bit geometry?? You can get all the info You need in "Drills, Taps and Dies" By Tubal Cain ISBN 0-85242-866-9, originally published in 1987 by Argus Books Ltd. of London UK. I believe that You can purchase it at CHRONOS http://www.chronos.ltd.uk/ [or from many machine tool vendors] Best regards from the nice City of Belgrade. Dushan Grujich CMW >>Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes.<< Oscar Wilde ------- Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 18:56:04 -0400 From: "Jerry Glickstein" Subject: THE BOOK I have what I consider THE BOOK on cutting tools. The title is "Design and Use of Cutting Tools" It was written by Leo J. St. Clair First Edition 1952 McGraw-Hill Book Company Inc. The Maple Press Company, York, PA. 437 pages. Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 51-12947 I think it is out of print. I have memorized it to a great extent, yet it is a fantastic reference book as well. Covers every aspect . I "inherited" the book from a fellow machinist in 1955. Regards, Jerry G (Glickstein) ------- Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 08:09:12 -0000 From: volzmechatronicx~xxyahoo.com Subject: The Oracle of Delphi: The Secret Book: UPDATE The Machinery Dealers National Association--MDNA--currently publishes a book that has serial numbers for many machines plus other machine tool information. This book used to be called "Serial Number Reference Book for Metalworking Machinery". It has been renamed "Machine Tool Reference Guide" and is available from MDNA for $39.95 + $5 S&H: http://www.mdna.org/publications.html. I just ordered the latest edition for myself. Buy one...and then you too can become the Oracle of Delphi..."herself". :-) Art (Houston) ------- Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 11:01:16 -0400 From: Bob Colquitt Subject: ME article list for shapers/shaping [Metal_Shapers Group] I've combined & am modifying JW Early's Model Engineer article index Excel files and did a database sort for shapers & shaping. Yes, I converted the spreadsheets to a database for my antique iMac. Here's the text file for shaping: It does not include the publish date [not in the files]; just another chore to do. The "$-" at the beginning of each listing shows the article has been uploaded either on the Metal_Shapers Yahoo group or one/more of JWE's groups on Yahoo. Hope it's useful.. -=- Bob Colquitt ------- Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 15:21:55 -0000 From: "Chet R Biggerstaff" Subject: A cool find! [taigtools group] Last night I was in my shop cleaning up the mess (as we usually do days after we have finished) and I ran across a slew of old (very old) magazines from the 1920's, 1930's, 1940's and 1950's that belonged to my grandfather. They are all like popular science, mechanics illustrated and others of the day. Many of them have quite a few good articles on machining and making parts and tools for metalworking and in particular for the atlas and southbend lathes. I was up until almost 3am just going through the index of one of the types of mags pulling out the ones that had metalworking articles in them. As the are so old I can reprint them or post them to my site without copyright issues. I will be posting them to my site (www.thecarver.net) as soon as possible so that all can look at them and use what they need. If interested shoot me an email. Thanks ------- Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:19:44 -0500 From: "Bad Brad" Subject: RE: A cool find! Chet, Age of a copyright doesn't mean anything. Always contact the proper people for permission to use their work, if you don't, you could be contacted by them instead and they (Big publications such as Popular Mechanics) have known to be down-right unfriendly. >From: "Chet R Biggerstaff" >Reply-To: As the are so old I can reprint them or post >them to my site without copyright issues. Bad Brad Rabid Weasel Racing Team ------- Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 08:17:15 -0700 From: James Eckman Subject: Re: A cool find! If I remember correctly anything before the early 20's is now public domain. 1923? Check the Library of Congress website. Also if it's a dead magazine that didn't survive the 40's, odds are copyright was never renewed. That one's a more difficult call. Jim ------- Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:32:46 -0000 From: "R. Wade Brooks" Subject: Good Reading I found a site with introductory material and a few movies that I thought the group might enjoy. http://jjjtrain.kanabco.com/vms/library.html They did not include shapers, but does have a nice intro to lathes and mills. Maybe some of our members can give them shaper and planer section. Hope you all enjoy it Wade ------- Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:59:44 EDT From: wanlikerx~xxaol.com Subject: tutorials >> Are there any books/tutorials that can get the newcomer through the basics of using CAD/CAM CNC software and the CNC lathe? Example would be something as simple as setup for turning something as simple as the shape of a golf tee. << Try these URLs for information. Be sure to look at the LINKS, at every site you visit, some good stuff hidden out there. http://213.10.73.60/majosoft/hobbycnclinks/body_hobbycnclinks.html http://www.davegoodfellow.com/index.html http://www.wokingham.demon.co.uk/prog/programming.htm#G-Codes http://www.homecnc.info/cnc-main.html http://www.machinist-toolbox.com/links.htm http://stcnc.tripod.com/tutorial/ http://stcnc.tripod.com/ http://me.mit.edu/lectures/router/1-goals.html http://www.ktmarketing.com/CNC.html The CCED FAQ is also at this site somewhere, take a look around a lot of goodies there. http://www.welsoft.co.uk/index.html On this one look for the tool setting info, and the microscope but cheaper available. http://www.geocities.com/mklotz.geo/ Non CNC, but DOS machinist utilities, a must see. http://www.metalworking.com/tutorials/ARMY-TC-9-524/9-524-index.html General machining Navy online book, not CNC I have a book "COMPUTER NUMERICAL CONTROL PROGRAMMING BASICS" from "Industrial Press" publishers of the "Machinery's Handbook", that I downloaded and printed from the WWW, you might have to do some Google searching for it. bill CCED ------- Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:55:00 -0800 From: "Dave Hylands" Subject: FW: New Model engine Magazine [posted on sherline group] Seems like a bunch of people on this list might be interested... Start of Forwarded message ----- As you may know, Robert Washburn ceased publication of StrictlyIC in December of 2002 and the IC segment of the hobby has been without a dedicated magazine. I hope that Model Engine Builder will be able to replace StrictlyIC with a slightly different magazine. MEB will be 'mostly IC,' with a little bit of Stirling and perhaps even Gas Turbine (Jet engines) thrown in. Furthermore, we will also pay attention to beginners and those who have miniature (Sherline-sized) equipment on which to build their models. As an adjunct to the magazine, our web site will have additional help for beginners, expanded (but not necessary) information for the build articles, and a short video with sound of the engines in the articles so viewers can see and hear them before they build them. The first issue will be in reader's hands on March 1, 2005 and we will produce 3 more issues to cap the first year. In 2006, having more experience and more contributor contacts (a strong hint), we feel we will be able to increase the publication rate to 6 times per year. The subscription cost is $29.95 in the U.S. and slightly more in Canada due to the cost of postage. We will have our web site capable of handling subscriptions by mid-November and can also accept mail-in subscriptions where the payment is in U.S. Dollars. The life blood of any hobby magazine (other than subscriptions and advertising) is the quality and quantity of contributions. I welcome any contributed articles (I'll soon have a contributor package finished) as long as they pertain to the IC engine side of the hobby. For obvious reasons, I don't want to tread in the Home Shop Machinist and Live Steam areas of coverage. We hope to have at least 2 engine projects running simultaneously plus shorter articles on building engine components e.g., how to make oil-control piston rings or how to make an ignition system that will work at 10,000 rpm J or a miniature magneto that will run a model farm engine. Right now we have a single-cylinder diesel aircraft engine and a multi-cylinder air-cooled, in-line engine as the first two build articles. The aircraft engine is by Ron Chernich of Australia (here is his marvelous web site http://archive.dstc.edu.au/BDU/staff/ron/ )and the multi is by Randall Cox of Wyoming. Both are good running engines and Randall's design can be build with any number of cylinders between 1 and 6, possibly more. Lastly, we will have a centerfold article in the magazine. This is not a build article but is about an engine and its builder. First out of the gate is the incredible cast iron V-8 Chevrolet Small-Block by Eugene Corl, a BAEM member living in Reno, Nevada. If you haven't seen it or followed its seven-year construction odyssey, this is an engine that externally and internally, looks as if a full-sized engine was given to a South American Head Hunter and they shrank it. It is extremely faithful to the prototype engine. Best regards, Mike Rehmus Editor, Model Engine Builder Magazine www.modelenginebuilder.com Elmwood Publishing ------- Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:39:38 -0500 From: "Bill Hardin" Subject: RE: Popular Mechanics Shop Tips >Recently came across Popular Mechanics Shop Tips for 1943 and 1947. >Great stuff, lots of tips, some would make OSHA faint dead away. >Where can I get more? How many years were these publications made? >Tim Colbert K3HX I recently bought the set, 26 volumes, 1905 to 1930, from Lee Valley Tools, 29,000 entries. I'd like to find a set from 1931 on. Link to site is http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?page=42563&catego ry=1,46096,46131&abspage=1&ccurrency=2&sid= You can buy one book or all. As an extra, they also have the index to all, 512 pages for about $12. For those interested, I acquired the reprint rights to this series, and have started putting those related to lathes on my web site under Hints & Tips. At the current rate, I will never get them all up there, but there are a bunch. Bill Hardin http://www.homeshopsupply.com Craftsman 109 Lathe Support ------- Subject: Re:Image/Text Databases [Oldtools list] From: red_iriex~xxpipeline.com Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:57:57 -0500 (EST) Esteemed Galoots, I just wanted to post up some of my favorite image database websites. I know the U. Wisconsin database has been mentioned before but, for those who've not seen, the wealth of woodworking and metalworking text and images it contains is singular. The reference images for future projects (a Galoot can dream can't he?) located in these databases are staggering. I left out American Memory since it is widely known. The British Library app that allows one to "turn the pages" on ancient texts is worth the visit. Enjoy! I would love to hear from the "Biblio-Galoots" out there about other great text/image databases that they've come across. Best, Noel Digital Library for the Decorative Arts and Material Culture U. of Wisconsin-Madison http://decorativearts.library.wisc.edu/ Text collections on decorative arts is located at: http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/DLDecArts/TextAbout.html Ingenious http://www.ingenious.org.uk New York Public Library Digital Gallery http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/index.cfm British Library Turning the Pages http://www.bl.uk/collections/treasures/digitisation5.html Insight Visual Collections http://www.davidrumsey.com/collections ------- Also see: U.S. National Gallery of Art for woodcarving and metalworking and much more: http://www.nga.gov/collection/gallery/iad.htm Cornell U's Manufacturer and Builder mag from 1869 onward: http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/moa/browse.journals/manu.html U.S. Library of Congress: http://www.loc.gov/ U. Penn's Online Books page: http://digital.library.upenn.edu/books/ Michigan State U's Libraries online http://digital.lib.msu.edu/collections/ Project Gutenberg online books: http://www.promo.net/pg/index.html ------- Subject: Re: State Library of South Australia [Oldtools] From: "Peter Marquis-Kyle" Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:18:06 +1000 Gary Roberts wrote: > Take a look through this great archive of STUFF.. try a search under > something like 'carpenter' for some images... > http://www.catalog.slsa.sa.gov.au:1084/screens/opacmenu.html Good suggestion, Gary. And to see even more Australian images, try Picture Australia < www.pictureaustralia.org > which gives you a better search and display interface to images in collections all around the country. That way, you can find all the same South Australian material, plus lots more from the other state and national collections. Peter Marquis-Kyle ------- Subject: Re: copper working [Oldtools] From: Kevin Foley Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 18:31:01 -0400 Blake Ashley wrote:>Greetings All, >Have you any suggestions for books on working with copper - as in >forming interesting and useful objects from copper sheets? Thanks! Hi Blake, one possibility is "The Art of Coppersmithing" by John Fuller Jr., Astragal Press. The emphasis here is practical objects -- not a frill anywhere. Good introduction in how to make basic forms and combine basic forms into complex assemblages. Sealing, tinning etc. are included. Orignally published in 1893 so old tools are all that's mentioned but then safety and toxicology also represent the same era. About 400 pages IIRC. Regards, Kevin Foley ------- Subject: Re: copper working From: "S or J" Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 09:14:35 -0400 Blake Ashley wrote:>Greetings All, >Have you any suggestions for books on working with copper - as in >forming interesting and useful objects from copper sheets? Thanks! Hi Blake A couple of very practical paperbacks were (re)published by Dover Publications Inc. I don't know if either is still in publication, but used copies are available inexpensively through used-bookfinding sites such as http://www.abebooks.com/ http://www.bookfinder.com/ http://www.alibris.com/ Abebooks alone has more than a dozen copies of each, at well under U.S. $10. in a search done today. It is well worth getting both books. "Metalwork For Craftsmen" by Emil F. Kronquist ISBN: 0-486-22789-8 Library of Congress Catalog Card Number: 78-160856 This has 55 step by step projects involving copper or other sheet metals (and you can often substitute copper when other metals are specified). 202 pages. "Coppercraft and Silver Made at Home" by Karl Robert Kramer and Nora Kramer ISBN: 0-486-22790-1 Library of Congress Catalog Card Number: 70-178088 This book has fewer projects but more detailed how-to's and tips on creating your own designs. 175 pages. regards Steve -- in Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada Machining and Metalworking at Home http://www.janellestudio.com/metal/ ------- Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:28:56 +0000 From: j.w.earlyx~xxatt.net Subject: JWE's MW Groups [beginnerswkshp group posting] As per recent discussion here is an updated list of the metal working related groups I am maintaining at the current time. There are some others I have contributed content to that are owned and moderated by others. These groups are for educational purposes and not for personal profit whether for myself or others. Because they are educational in nature discussion might drift to points some might consider Off Topic because of the need to explain reality to some who might not have had a complete education. Archive group for the Geometer Beginners Workshop series from the mid 1950s and the Hints & Tips series from the late 1950s and early 1960s. (01) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Geometer/ Archive group for the Novices Workshop series from the early 1950s as well the tutorial Chuck cartoons by Terry Aspin from the early 1960s are archived here. (02) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/beginnerswkshp/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/beginnerswkshp1/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/beginnerswkshp2/ Archive group for the useful hints and tips from Model Engineer that were posted on mlprojects. (03) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hintstips/ Searchable indexes for Model Engineer magazine from 1939 to 1999. Also partial indexes for some other magazines with metal working content. The one for HSM and PiM/MW are the most complete but not fully verified or commented. (04) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/meindex/ Lathe modification and improvement articles for the MiniLathe and other home shop machines. Alignment, collets, fine feed ideas, tailstock mods and ideas and ideas for quick change gearboxes. (05) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mlathemods/ Dials, reconditioning tricks and taper attachments. (06) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mlathemods2/ Making keyways, spherical turning attachments, taper turning attachments and worm gear attachments. (07) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mlathemods3/ Attachments for milling in the lathe, threading and quick change or improved tool posts. (08) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mlathemods04/ An idea on how to make a flex shaft tool and the article archive for the Jeynes series. (10) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mlathemods4/ Discussion and aid with control and motor problems on the mini lathe. (11) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mlathemods5/ Model building projects mostly related to I/C engines, plus some OT content from time to time as this group was originally started to draw the OT content away from the 7x10 group. (12) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mlprojects/ I.C. engine projects. (13) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mlprojects1/ Steam engines and related materials. (14) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mlprojects2/ (15) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mlprojects2a/ Steam engines and boilers (16) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mlprojects2b/ Steam traction and road going equipment. (17) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mlprojects3/ Steam powered fire engines and pumps, also some interesting articles on hydraulic rams. (18) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mlprojects4/ Cameras in the workshop http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mlprojects5/ Some old clock building articles from ME and as well discussion on building clocks and special tools and tricks for doing the job. (19) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mlhorology/ Metal working hints & tips for the beginner as well the more experienced user. Mechanical drawing, measuring tools, cross drilling and pattern-making. (20) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mwhints/ Duplex on threading and some other hints and projects from this super team. As well some ideas from the past on alternitive power sources. (21) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mwhints2/ Drill sharpening, tool sharpening, knurling and parting off. (22) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mwhints3/ Centering work, use of chucks and other work-holding devices and more information on tapping. (23) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mwhints4/ Some ideas for building your own lathe or improving the one you have. (24) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mwlatheideas/ Tools and ideas for the small shop milling machine and shaper. (25) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mwmills/ Indexing, dividing and gear cutting on the lathe and mill. (26) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mwmills2/ Power hacksaws, saws and other secondary but useful shop equipment. (27) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mwsmalltools/ JWE Long Beach, CA ------- Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 01:59:39 -0000 From: "Art Volz" Subject: Re: SB-7 Parts and Instruction Manuals In Metal_Shapersx~xxyahoogroups.com, "eqreservoir" wrote: > I've looked in all the files and couldn't come up with the SB-7 > Parts and Instruction Manuals other than the Army one. > Did South Bend provide these manuals with the shaper? > Is there a source for these manuals? If you have the Army manual you have the South Bend manual. The only difference, esentially, is that the Army pub is a TM. Note that the TM designation ends with a "P"--that means "and parts". Apparently, the Army manual is a photo lithograpy copy. I have the last two copies of the South Bend manual that I picked up at their then location-in the early 1980's--the old Studebaker Engineering Dept. building--in South Bend. The only current source of "real" South Bend non-Army manuals is on eBay where, every now and then, one appears. So, that said, are you happy? If your SB has a pump, be sure to also download Mike F's file on the pump as well. Lubrication info is on the tag on the outside of your shaper's door. There are also a jillion good ideas and notes hidden away in our message archives. Start your search there with the key words "South Bend". Art (Houston) ------- NOTE TO FILE: "SHOP SAVVY" BOOK Just recently noticed that I had recommended a great book to others but had not listed it here. "Shop Savvy" by Roy Moungovan is a very enjoyable read for any metalworker or woodworker. Dozens (hundreds?) of invaluable tips and jigs and adapters and adaptations along with sage advice. I enjoy reading it again at least a couple of times a year. Mine is a softcover edition published for Popular Science, by Sterling Publishing Co., Inc. New York. ISBN 0-8069-5800-6. There was an earlier hardcover published by Grolier Book Clubs, Inc. It is probably not in print now (2006), but copies can often be found through used book vendors on the Web. ------- Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 01:49:44 -1000 (HST) From: benedict-listx~xxhawaii.rr.com Subject: Re: Nasmyth autobiography!! [taigtools] On Fri, 6 Jan 2006, gehaddad wrote: > Thanks for posting the link to the Nasmyth book on your site. I've been > reading it. I love the story of how he built his own slow cooker so > dinner would be ready when he got home from Maudley's shop. Sounds > dangerous with an oil burner for heat! > Can you recommend any other good historical/philosophical books on > lathes, machine tools, tool makers? You got me hooked. Heh! Glad I was able to hook you on that one! Nasmyth is a riot. Here are some others I've enjoyed: "60 Years with Men and Machines" - Fred Colvin Fred Colvin was co-author of the first Machinist's Handbook, among a slew of other books. He started making injectors for steam engines in the late 1800's, and saw the advent of the era of the jet engine. The writing is witty and the viewpoint is unique. "Industrial Biography" - Samuel Smiles Samuel Smiles helped Nasmyth write his autobiography, and is mentioned in it. Industrial Biography starts with the British foundries (before Maudslay ever put tool to metal) and ends with the machine tool firmly established as a cornerstone of industry. The writing is less personal than Nasmyth's or Colvin's, but it covers more ground. "English and American Tool Builders" - Joseph Wickham Roe This is a good companion book to Industrial Biography. It starts later in the period of tool development, and continues past the end of Indistrial Biography. The writing style is very similar, though there are a number of anecdotal stories that do get up close and personal. "Echoes from the Oil Country" - William Osborne These are excerpts from a series of letters written to the American Machinist by Osborne between the late 1800's and the early 1900's and touch on a number of subjects, from hiring practices, to reading material, to what to do with pesky customers who can't keep their hands off the tools. It's full of lively stories from someone who worked in a job shop out in the boonies where you were as likely to get a job making well tooling as you were to get a job fixing a cart axle. Five volumes are in print. There are others, but my books are at home and I'm not. I'll poke around tonight and see what I can scare up. Most of these used to be available through Lindsay Publications. If not, they do show up new and used on Amazon and Ebay from time to time. I like them all. Tom ------- Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 06:14:02 -0000 From: "Art Volz" Subject: Shaper Book (ATTN: Brad) > I've been looking to buy a book or several books on how to operate > a shaper. Any advise on which ones are the better ones to purchase? > Thanks, Brad Brad--The book you want is "Shaper Work" last printed by Delmar in 1953. Used copies run over $100 each when found. It's 300 pages and copiously illustrated with exquisite drawings. Errol Groff has kindly made CD copies of this book (plus a lot of other good stuff on the CD) available for $10 which includes shipping. Send Errol a USPS Money Order for $10: Errol Groff 180 Middle Road Preston, CT 06365-8206 errol.groffx~xxsnet.net There's always an ad in the New England Model Engineering Society's "NEMES Gazette" as there is for December of 2005. Errol is a leading member of NEMES. See: http://www.neme-s.org/NEMES_Gazette.htm Art ------- NOTE TO FILE: On 18 Jan 2006 I received this email from Frank Marlow: >>Dear Sir: Please consider adding Machine Shop Essentials to your links. The book is on basic-to-intermediate manually-controlled machine tools for model makers, prototypers, instrument makers, live steamers and engine builders. You can see more about this book on its site: MetalArtsPress.com Should you wish to review this book on your site, just send me your mailing address for a no-charge copy. This book is available in Europe, Canada, and the US. Sincerely, Frank Marlow Metal Arts Press 8461 Valencia Drive Huntington Beach, CA 92647-6033 inquiriesx~xxmetalartspress.com metalartspress.com << As Machining and Metalworking at Home is non-commercial and I have no financial relationship with any metalworking commercial site, the offer of a free book to review was respectfully declined. There is nothing wrong with such an offer, which is normal business promotional practice. I just prefer to remain completely objective and beyond any possible hint of bias in any of my writings here. What I did do was visit Mr. Marlow's website shown above and examined the threading-on-a-lathe example from his book posted there. I then re-read the threading chapters from 6 other books (including the official manuals from Atlas and South Bend). While some of these books gave more background information, none approached the clarity and completeness of Mr. Marlow's step-by-step instructions and excellent illustrations. Most of my books required reading and re-reading and then adding notes before I would have a comparable list of complete steps on how to thread. If the rest of the book matches the threading example, then Mr. Marlow's book merits consideration as a very useful tool in the metal workshop. ------- Re: what's a good book on building model engines? [LittleEngines] Posted by: "Frank Hasieber" fhasieberx~xxyahoo.co.uk Date: Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:53 pm ((PST)) >>Original Message-- [to:LittleEngines at yahoogroups]on behalf Of grant_richardson25 I want to buy a good book that cover all aspects of building model IC engines. Like how to bore cylinders what size piston and ring for what size bore. How to turn cranks and so on. Some one told me a reamer works great for boring small cylinders like less than a inch bore. I need a good book on lathe and mill operation also. Thanks << I don't know of any one book that I can recommend, although there are a number, in Yahoo, there a several groups for IC engines, I'll give the links to those I belong to below, J W Earley's groups have a wealth of information, amongst these groups you should be able to find all the information you could need. I seriously doubt the ability of a reamer to finish a bore to the required standard, honing is the answer after boring. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bayareaenginemodelersclub/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/icengines/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Min_Int_Comb_Eng/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Model_glo_engine_builders http://groups.yahoo.com/group/modelicengines http://groups.yahoo.com/group/R_and_R_engines If you can afford them, all back issues of Strictly IC are still available, this is an exceptionally good resource: http://www.strictlyic.com/ and the newest Magazine which I subscribe to and can recommend: http://www.modelenginebuilder.com/ I hope this is of some help, you could also try searching on Amazon. Frank ------- Nation Builder Books - February 27, 2007 [Min_Int_Comb_Eng] Posted by: "TRUMAN SIMS" JACK-BR549x~xxWORLDNET.ATT.NET Date: Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:52 am ((PST)) Here is a fairly good place to find books if you haven't seen it yet. http://www.nbbooks.com/ Jack Sims ------- Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 20:49:21 -0400 From: pleenhoutsx~xxaol.com Subject: [OldTools] magazine Ohio History - digital copies 1887 through 2004 are free and searchable Found an interesting paragraph in one of the weekly web summaries I watch, The Weekly Internet Scout Report. A quick search indicates some articles on Ohio toolmaking may be relevant to our list. "7. Ohio History http://publications.ohiohistory.org/ohstemplate.cfm?action=intro Are you looking for an article about Horace Mann and Antioch College? Perhaps you would be interested in a piece of scholarship dealing with public housing in Cleveland? Both of these topics can be found between the digital pages of the journal, Ohio History, which is offered at no charge, courtesy of the Ohio Public Library Information Network. Over the past several years, they have worked to digitize issues of the journal dating back to June 1887. This site contains all of the issues up to the Winter- Spring 2004 edition, and visitors will enjoy browsing through this publication at their leisure. Amidst all of the 53,000 pages of digitized text, visitors will have no trouble finding articles that suit their particular interest within the world of historical scholarship on all things Ohio. [KMG]" Further information on the Scout Report can be found at The Scout Report, Copyright Internet Scout Project 1994-2007. http://scout.wisc.edu/ Pete in Port Ludlow 50 and partly cloudy - 81 yesterday and clear ------- Re: A Great Place to Locate Rare Books [sherline] Posted by: "ballypatricktollymore" john.morton22x~xxbtopenworld.com Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:34 am ((PDT)) "Jerry G"wrote: > Ladies and Gentlemen of Both Groups; This will help all those who might be trying to find hard to find books... On any subject. www.bookfinder.com They have over 125 million books! Jerry G (Glickstein)< Hello all. Having been a book collector for 40+ years, here are a few more useful links. Copac...Trussels...Clique...Abe books...Amazon rare books... www.booksatpbfa.com All the best for now, John ------- Re: A Great Place to Locate Rare Books Posted by: "Ron OConnor" connor.rx~xxsbcglobal.net Date: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:30 am ((PDT)) Theoretically bookfinder.com searches Alibris & ABEbooks & Amazon & a bunch more I can't think of. Ron ------- NOTE TO FILE: The following videos are actually very useful and provide much clearer information than often found in books. Hopefully other videos in the original series will be found and posted on the web. ------- Lathe Videos. [atlas_craftsman] Posted by: "Joe R" jromasx~xxcolumbus.rr.com Date: Mon Nov 5, 2007 4:24 am ((PST)) There are 8 training videos that can be downloaded and played from the below site. They are mostly from WWII but still apply today. The original poster of the link is David Smith from the South Bend groups. http://www.shinyobjectdesign.com/staff/paul/sbvideo/ Joe Romas ------- NOTE TO FILE: The following message came out of a very long discussion in the MyMyford group about the unavailability of older isues of the U.K. magazines Model Engineer (ME) and Model Engineers' Workshop (MEW). Naturally the Myford lathe enthusiasts were primarily interested in old articles about their models and accessories, but the magazines have articles about all sorts of machines (all brands) and nifty projects, so you might benefit from many articles now out of print. An index to the articles is available free on the web, and after download it can be easily searched within your spreadsheet program. And if you do not have a spreadsheet program yet, the free (and excellent) suite called Open Office can be downloaded from elsewhere on the web (do a search for current download sites). There are a lot of libraries in the U.K. that hold old copies, and readers in other U.K. locations can see them through their interlibrary loan program. A similar program does exist for Canada and the U.S., and possibly elsewhere. Check with your local library. Magicalia, the publisher of ME and MEW, is investigating how it might legally (copyright issues are involved) publish selected groups of articles in books. They might also put selected older articles on their website, perhaps as soon as 2008. Whether the access to such online articles would be free or restricted in some way has not yet been announced, as of early December 2007. ------- Myford Articles [MyMyford group at Yahoo] Posted by: "Tim Ostley" Tim.Ostleyx~xxgooglemail.com Date: Wed Dec 5, 2007 9:14 am ((PST)) Dear All: As an interim can I offer the following? If you go to http://www.groundlevel.demon.co.uk/me_index.html you will find Bill Phillips indexes to ME and MEW which are free to download. If you download a file (I suggest 101-150) and open it using your favourite spreadsheet (if you don't have a spreadsheet get Open Office which is free), you can then search for articles by whomever you wish. I tried the following searches; Find 'Cleeve' (using Edit - Find). I also sorted the entire spreadsheet on Author and then scrolled down to Martin Cleeve (using Data - Sort but remember to select the entire spreadsheet first) This will give you a list of all that author's entries in ME for that range of Volumes including letters in postbag. You can then beg or borrow the appropriate magazine and peruse the article. If you are in the UK then trot along to your local library who will be able to get a volume of ME on inter-library loan for you. I realise that this doesn't generate a freely and easily accessible sets of re-prints but at least it gives you some way of finding out who has written articles and when they were published. Hope this helps. Tim ------- free books on line [LittleEngines] Posted by: "D.C.Clark" dcclark111x~xxcomcast.net Date: Sat Dec 22, 2007 8:26 am ((PST)) Good Morning Groups, While Googling about for some design info, I came across this site: http://www.fastonline.org/CD3WD_40/CD3WD/INDEX.HTM Has a number of interesting titles including: "Model Boilers and Boilermaking" and "Model Stationary and Marine Steam Engines". The site appears to be dedicated to technology transfer to developing countries. Many titles to fuel your survivalist fantasies (Crocodile Farming, anyone?). Also quite a lot of technical educational material including many metal working topics. Enjoy, regards, DC ------- Re: Essential Reading [MyMyford] Posted by: "ian_new" ian_newx~xxyahoo.com ian_new Date: Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:30 am ((PST)) Hello Rod: In my opinion the essential book for model engineers is: The Model Engineer's Handbook by 'Tubal Cain' (T. D. Walshaw) It is really just a giant collection of useful information on all aspects of engineering but viewed from the model engineer perspective. Lots of texts assume that you are in the business of mass production, have a huge industrial capacity lathe/mill and a similarly huge budget. Tubal Cain knows that you have a tiny, under-powered machine, no spare cash and that you are determined to perform miracles. My advice:- Keep your own notebook and write down everything; just be careful to note what worked and what gave you problems! When I was employed in engineering a group of us were sitting in the workshop one lunch time and the conversation got round to the contents of our pockets. Most of us had a small steel rule, a scriber, etc, etc. All of us had a copy of Zeus, a notebook and a piece of chalk. Ian ------- Re: Essential Reading Posted by: "keatinglaurie" steamcatx~xxshaw.ca Date: Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:00 am ((PST)) Scott A Stephens wrote: > What about Guy Lautard's (Think I got the last name right but will have > to check) "Machinist Bedside Reader" series. I have all 3 of Guy's Bedside Readers and can certainly recommend them. They don't deal with model engineering specifically but each one has a wealth of ideas that will get the grey matter working. I find that the more I work in my shop, the more useful these books become. I've built several useful small tools from the plans in the books. Regards; steamcat ------- NOTE TO FILE: I also have all three of Guy's books. Warning, if you have not read one before, you will probably read it cover to cover and may lose sleep. If months later you look up an article, you will find yourself trapped again. Besides dozens of tool and jig ideas, there is an incredible amount of practical advice on how-to's. And mixed in are some great on-topic stories. Guy is a real gentleman and his books can be obtained directly from his website if there is no local source. http://www.lautard.com/ ------- Re: Building plans for a small shaper? [Metal_Shapers] Posted by: "eqreservoir" hotair220x~xxmsn.com Date: Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:10 pm ((PDT)) "jmdiascosta" wrote: > If You can give me some more specifics about magazine issues (and > if it's not a burden to You) i will use that information to try to > buy those back issues. Thanks in advance Dias Costa The shaper plans are in the Home Shop Machinist Magazine July/August 1998--Part 1 September/October 1998--Part 2 January/February 1999--Part 3 March/April 1999--Part 4 If the Magazine issues are not available it may be in one of the project books. Their Phone number (Hope it works for you) is: 1-800-447-7367. Enjoy, HTj ------- NOTE TO FILE: PLANS TO BUILD A METAL SHAPER. The question comes up fairly frequently as to whether there are plans available for building a small metal shaper. Besides the plan featured in HSM magazine mentioned in the last message, the Dave Gingery book for building a motorized shaper is available from www.lindsaybks.com Another manually powered small 3" shaper was written up in Oct 1955 Popular Mechanics. A scan of the article is available for free download from: http://www.vintageprojects.com/machine-shop/Shaper.pdf BUT I was given a much clearer scan of this plan and posted it on a personal site address (not on my main site). Download is free: http://my.tbaytel.net/jstudio/lathe/3inshaper1.pdf I also have another scan where the pages are out of order, but it gives a bit of "color" as to what the original article looked like: http://my.tbaytel.net/jstudio/lathe/3inshaper.pdf ------- Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:10:19 -0400 (EDT) From: red_iriex~xxpipeline.com Subject: [OldTools] Military Field Manuals Dearest Galoots, It's been a dog's age since I posted but have been dutifully lurking! I wanted to call to your attention this wonderful archive of old military field and technical manuals at http://comarms.googlepages.com/obsoletemilitarymanuals Of note is this circa 1945 technical manual entitled MAINTENANCE AND CARE OF HAND TOOLS (aka TM 9-876). http://cgsc.leavenworth.army.mil/carl/wwIItms/TM9_867_1945.pdf Enjoy! Best, Noel -- The Urban Galoot ------- Dans source listing Parts Models 3 [LittleEngines] Posted by: "DA Dossin" danatlx~xxyahoo.com Date: Mon May 19, 2008 8:36 am ((PDT)) Folks, I am sorry I have to send my Resource list in an email. If someone knows how to convert it for a file, please feel free to either convert it and post it or send me instructions. Thank you for your understanding, Dan Wood strips http://northeasternscalelumber.com/osc/catalog/ Steam powered Air Plane http://www.flysteam.co.uk/index.htm Historic Steam Models http://historicsteammodels.com/ Home Machinist http://www.chaski.org/homemachinist/viewforum.php?f=8&sid=aeff 23c3c3e132123969f78037e6500f Boilers http://maccsteam.com/index.html Boiler water level control system http://home.earthlink.net/~bfindus/index.html Main Steam Models http://www.mainsteam.co.uk/ === LIVE STEAM MODELS http://www.stuartmodels.com/ http://www.livesteammodels.co.uk/modelcat.html http://www.miniaturesteammodels.com/ http://www.mmmachines.com/ http://myersengines.com/ http://www.billreichart.com/index.shtml http://www.john-tom.com/html/SteamPlans.html http://www.tinypower.com/ http://www.ministeam.com/index.html http://www.grahamind.com/stengine.html http://www.acs-engineering.co.uk/index.htm http://www.pmresearchinc.com/ http://stores.ebay.com/The-Steam-Chest === MISC PART AND STUFF http://www.dmoz.org/Arts/Crafts/Metal_Craft/Model_Engineering/ http://www.steamfittings.co.uk/asp/index.asp http://www.westbourne-model.co.uk/index.htm http://www.miniaturepressuregauge.com/ http://www.antiquengines.com/Davis_Model_Suppliers_List_.htm http://modelenginenews.org/index.html http://www.schsm.org/index.html http://www.dmoz.org/Arts/Crafts/Metal_Craft/Model_Engineering/ === Plans ONLY, I guess http://hasbrouck.8m.com/index.htm http://npmccabe.tripod.com/steam.htm http://www.marconettengineering.com/index.htm http://heetgasmodelbouw.ridders.nu/ http://www.john-tom.com/html/SteamPlans.html http://www.billreichart.com/index.shtml === STUFF I would hate to lose the URL http://www.rocousa.com/DETAIL.ASP?PRODUCT_ID=BR5210 http://www.hobbylinc.com/prods/uhu.htm http://www.evaporust.com/ http://rotometals.3dcartstores.com/Lead-Products_c_2.html http://www.alibre.com/support/downloads.aspx http://reviews.ebay.co.uk/BUYING-AND-RUNNING-MODEL-STEAM-BOIL ERS_W0QQugidZ10000000002369243?ssPageName=BUYGD:CAT:-1:SEARCH:2 http://www.metcosupply.com/ http://myersengines.com/ === REAL WORLD steam engines http://www.carferries.com/triple/ http://mysidewheeler.com/ http://www.pioneer.net/~carlich/ISS/ISSfront.html ------- Re: operators maual, 101-27440 [atlas_craftsman] Posted by: "angelo4967" angelo4967x~xxyahoo.com Date: Thu May 22, 2008 11:02 am ((PDT)) Not the manual for your lathe but this manual is great for learning basic lathe operations. Save a copy of it. http://www.bbssystem.com/manuals/Lathe-Tutorial.pdf Angelo ------- Re: Books and Magazines and Posting Designs [LittleEngines] Posted by: "Dirk Tollenaar" dtollenaarx~xxsbcglobal.net Date: Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:35 pm ((PDT)) Hello All, For some reason I am getting in on the end of this thread. What are you all talking about? If it is the fact that all of Elmer's Engine plans are located in the files sections of the four Elmer's Engines Group's, then what exactly are you asking or talking about? If for some remote reason you all think I have done something wrong by placing the plans there for everyone to download and enjoy, then you are incorrect. As I have stated several times before, I own the Copyright to the book, and have made the plans available as a gift to anyone who would like them. There is no Copyright problem here. If and when the original book is ever reprinted, then the four Elmer's Engines Groups will die, and the plans will be removed from the internet. However this will only take place to help promote the sales of the reprinted book. In the mean time, enjoy a free and legal gift, in the memory of Elmer Verburg. Dirk Tollenaar [From an earlier post] Here are the 4 Elmer's Engines groups: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Elmers_Engines_1/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Elmers_Engines_2/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Elmers_Engines_3/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Elmers_Engines_4/ ------- Re: Books and Magazines and Posting Designs Posted by: "a3sigma" dcclark111x~xxcomcast.net Date: Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:47 pm ((PDT)) Hi Dirk, I started the thread talking about bound copies of Model Engineer Magazine I found in a book store. Nothing to do with your Elmer's Engines files. Then the thread became more general regarding the legality of posting updated and revised designs of old engines. Best, DC ------- Re: Books and Magazines and Posting Designs Posted by: "DA Dossin" danatlx~xxyahoo.com Date: Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:01 pm ((PDT)) Dirk, we were only using the Elmer's Engines as an example for a previous discussion. IF at some point you do reprint is, please larger print. And color pics would be nice. Thank you for making the plans available for all to enjoy. Dan ------- Re: Books and Magazines and Posting Designs Posted by: "James Early" j.w.earlyx~xxworldnet.att.net Date: Sun Jun 29, 2008 4:23 pm ((PDT)) Dirk: I really do wish you could find a way to get the book reprinted. But I also hope you would do it in matte paper, not gloss. JWE Long Beach, CA ------- Re: Books and Magazines and Posting Designs Posted by: "Dirk Tollenaar" dtollenaarx~xxsbcglobal.net Date: Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:02 pm ((PDT)) Hi JWE: Hopefully that will take place sometime soon. There is also hopefully to be a rebirth of Model Tech, and a few other books that were printed by the original publisher. Only time will tell, and I'll make sure that your comment on the Matte Paper is a consideration. I'm not in the publishing business, but I really do not think there would be a cost difference. In the mean time, enjoy the Elmer's Groups. Thanks, Dirk Tollenaar -------